WATCH: Kansas governor candidates face off in final debate


Governor candidates Kris Kobach, Laura Kelly and Greg Orman sparred in the final debate of the Kansas 2018 midterm election Tuesday night on KSNT News.

The live face-off in Wichita featured a panel of moderators including KSNT’s political analyst Bob Beatty. The candidates were given questions on numerous hot-button issues, and were even asked to justify their attack ads on their opponents.

Republican Kobach, Democrat Kelly and Independent Orman fielded topics including legalizing marijuana, education funding, tax increases and tax cuts, immigration, gun control, state government corruption, voter registration, transgender rights and more.

Watch the debate in its entirety above, and read along with the full transcript of questions and answers below: 

In seven days, Kansans will choose their next governor. Tonight, the three leading candidates face-off. A showdown. One final push.
To win your vote. Where they stand on important issues like education, taxes, and crime.
As the clock ticks down to November 6, the stakes are high. How will the candidates set themselves apart? Broadcasting across the state from your local election headquarters, this is the governor’s debate, live in Wichita, Kansas. Jeff: good evening, I am Jeff Herndon. You can follow the debate on social media. This is the final televised debate that is being broadcast statewide. We are covering Topeka and southeast Kansas. We are also broadcasting to the Kansas City region.
I want to introduce the candidates. They meet the criteria set forth by corporate ownership.
We begin with Greg Orman, running as an Independent. He is a businessman. He started his first business in 1992 after graduating from Princeton. He is married with two daughters.
Kris Kobach is the current secretary of state, elected in 2010. A graduate of Harvard, Oxford, and Yale. He is married and has five daughters. He is the Republican. 
Senator Kelly was first elected in 2004. She is a graduate of Bradley and Indiana university’s. She is married with two daughters.
There will be no opening statements. Each candidate will be given 60 seconds to answer a question. A bell will ring to sound what time is up. The order was determined by a random draw five days ago. Each candidate will receive 30 seconds for a closing statement. The questions you’re about to hear were not made available to the candidates prior to this debate.

Question: Was Sam Brownback a good governor?
Jessica: Welcome. Although Jeff Collyer is our current governor, this race will determine who will succeed Sam Brownback. He had an approval rating of 24% when he left office, the third lowest in the country. We will begin the debate a little differently. Raise your hand if you think Brownback was a good governor.
[Kris Kobach is the only candidate to raise his hand.]
Thank you.
Mr. Orman, you did not raise your hand. Why?
Mr. Orman: If you look at what Governor Brownback did, he embarked on a reckless tax experiment that ultimately brought the state to a very difficult financial spot. I think his biggest issue was when it was clear he was not working, he did not change course. I have spent my life in the private sector. For 27 years I have grown and improved companies. I have run organizations on the size and scale of many agencies and Governor Brownback did not do what we would do in the private sector. When it is clear your plan is not working, you ultimately have to change course. His mistake was clinging to rigid ideologies went ultimately they need to be improving their decisions as evidence presents itself. I’m the only candidate on the stage that has any experience running companies and it was one of the issues Sam Brownback had. Jessica: secretary Kobach, you raise your hand. Secretary Kobach: yes. He had a mixed record. He did well in protecting the lives of the unborn. He deserves credit for that. He tried to stand for the rights of all of us to keep and bear arms. But he failed because he did not cut spending when taxes needed to be cut. He did not do that. That caused deficit. I understand that you do not put the cart before the street — cart before the horse. I will cut governor — government spending. I have shown it can be done. I cut spending from $7 million a year to $4.6 million a year. It can be done. I have the experience to do it. When we cut government spending, we can return the money to the taxpayer. That was the mistake of the Brownback administration. They did not cut spending. Senator Kelly: there is no doubt that Sam Brownback ran policies through state legislator and he decimated our schools, roads, health care, and economy. We have started down the road to recovery and we need to stay on that road. Kris Kobach has vowed to go back to the Sam Brownback experience — experiment. We do not need that. Brownback left us with a reputational deficit. It has been very difficult to attract businesses and millennials to come to the state. It has been very difficult to keep people here. We have a huge migration out of the state. Secretary Kobach: Senator Kelly has been running against Sam Brownback this whole race. Brownback hiked sales-tax, but she wanted a bigger hike. Government spending, he made a mistake of increasing it. She wants more of that. And Sam Brownback had no appetite for addressing our illegal immigration pot — problem. Neither does Senator Kelly. Senator Kelly: I think we all know that Kris Kobach comparing me to Sam Brownback is absurd. I voted against the sales-tax increase that he proposed because of what it would do to the citizens across the state, including making our sales tax on food the highest in the country.

Question: Poling & Ruling without a majority
Jeff: next question. Current polls indicate none of you have the majority supporting you in this election. 6% Of voters are undecided. A Remington research poll shows the same thing. If you are elected, how specifically will you lead a state where the majority of the citizens did not vote for your — phone for you? Secretary Kobach: I have — full for you -0- vote for you? Secretary Kobach: on federal id and proof of citizenship, my vote had approval of more than two thirds of democrats. I have shown I can reach across the aisle and make the case for policies we need in Kansas. Our taxes are way too high. I can make the case that we have to give relief to hard-working Kansans. To give $377 million a year to illegal aliens when our own families are having trouble making ends meet, if we have so much money to give to illegal aliens, why are we not looking after Kansas families? Senator Kelly: Kris Kobach loves to say I voted for his voter id bill. I actually voted for a compromise bill so he would not get all the authority he wanted to be able to suppress voters. When it was clear he was abusing his position, I cosponsored a bill to repeal the voter id provision. With that, I think it is very clear as we have gone on in his campaign that I will be able to bring people together — in this campaign that I will be able to bring people together. I have gone across the board with moderate Republicans. I am the one who can bring people together and work on behalf of Kansas and fix this mess. Mr. Orman: I think that is one of the real advantages of being an independent. I do not particularly care who the author of an idea is, I care if it is a good idea. As an independent, I can work with both sides. This is an area where I think secretary Kobach and Senator Kelly will have on awfully hard time getting anything done in to he got. Secretary Kobach talking about going back to the failed Brownback tax experiment. Kansas slammed the door on that. They are not going to allow the legislature to vote to go back to that experiment. Senator Kelly will have to deal with a very conservative legislature who will have a clear incentive to make sure she is not successful, because they do not want that lord it over them in the 2020 election. I’m the only candidate can — that can move Kansas forward. Jeff: secretary Kobach, it is unusual to have former governors endorse a different party. Secretary Kobach: it is not unusual in Kansas. It happened with governor Hayden who is pro-choice and was thrown out of office because he was hiking taxes too much. But I want to address what Laura Kelly said. She said she changed position on photo id. She changed her position on guns. She is to have a decent grade from the NRA and now she has an F. I do not change my position. Senator Kelly: I would say that is nonsense. I changed my position on guns, although I am a strong supporter of the second amendment, two years ago I voted to ban guns on college campuses as a direct result from my requests from my constituents. I changed because it was the right thing to do. Is Sam Brownback had changed when he realized he made a mistake, Kansas would be in better shape today. Mr. Orman: here is where I agree with secretary Kobach. Senator Kelly, you flip-flopped. You wanted to be elected governor and realized the wind had changed. You did not just vote for the constitutional carry amendment, you cosponsored it. And that I someone who claims to be the education governor, to say you change your mind because

Question: Cutting taxes / spending
Jeff: you have all said in your campaigns that you would like to cut taxes in some form, either income, property, or sales-tax. There was a $700 million budget shortfall with brownback. Given that education, health, and transportation make up the match — mass majority of spending, where will you cover the tax cuts? Senator kelly: I led the bipartisan effort last year to repeal the brownback tax experiment. We put ourselves back on the road to recovery. We have had 16 months of revenue exceeding estimates. We have a cushion in the bank account and we can go back into the legislature next session and find the essentials of government, particularly our schools, we need to add a little money to that. The money is in the bank and we will do that. We will focus on the priorities of the state and bring back the things that made kansas what it was, and also allows for economic development. Funding the schools and transportation and other infrastructure projects. We will expand medicaid. Mr. Orman: the reality is, where we are now, after we meet the supreme court’s mandate on education, we will not have much left over to do anything. I would love to be able to stand here and tell you I will cut also its of taxes, but the reality is, if we want to invest in our priorities and grow the kansas economy and create jobs and opportunities, we will have to have stable tax policy. I am the only candidate who has ever really created meaningful jobs. I have created them here in kansas. I want to focus on growing the kansas economy. I have a detailed plan for that on my website. I want to make government more efficient so we can invest in priorities without raising taxes. I do believe we will get to the point will we will start to see some relief in the area of sales tax in food and property tax, but it is going to take a while. Secretary kobach: laura kelly in nine years has voted for four different tax hikes. She has never met a tax hike she does not like. For her to claim she will consider cutting taxes in the future is laughable. I have shown we have the room to cut taxes if you use natural attrition. As baby boomers retire, 11,000 day, you can allow people to leave government and not fill all the positions. That is how I shrug my agency by 18%. I would do that — shrunk my agency by 18%. People are being taxed out of their homes. People are finding that property taxes are going up. The appraiser is raising the value 25%. We have to look out for the kansas taxpayer. Senator kelly: I am actually the only one standing on the stage tonight who understands the kansas budget. I have been the ranking minority member for 14 years and I have an intimate knowledge of the budget. The budget at this point is stable enough and leaning toward greater stability that we will be able to fund education and restore funding to programs like foster care without raising taxes. Mr. Orman: that would be great if all she was talking about spending money on. I think secretary kobach’s idea of doing this through attrition is lazy. We have to look at the state government and find out which programs are working and not working. We have to do what we would do in the private sector, which is invest in the things that work and eliminate the things that don’t. Secretary kobach: I will be doing much more than cutting government through natural attrition. I would also look at wasteful expenditures and programs. A study was done that gave 75 recommendations to the legislature about how they can save money. They have implemented fewer than 25. I would take those recommendations and implement them to cut spending and government. Kansas cannot afford it. For laura kelly to say we will increase these programs and maybe look at a tax cut is ridiculous.

Question: DCF Reform
Jessica: there have been many criticisms about the department — criticisms about dcf. The murder of a three-year-old is one case. Multiple reports were made to tcf in the months before — dcf in the months before the little boy’s body was found in concrete. Dcf has missed more than half of its standards for child welfare. They had made reforms, including appointing a new secretary. Do you think reforms of dcf have gone far enough, and if not, what would you like to see specifically change to change the way the department is operating? Mr. Orman: dcf is an embarrassment and anyone who has been involved with this has to be concerned. We have lost 75 kids in foster care. We have a record number of kids being taken by dcf and at the same time we are leaving kids like evan brewer who should have been taken out of the home, in the home. This is what happens when you have partisan governors. You end up appointing partisan agency heads. I do not need to pick my appointments from a group of politically loyal democrats or republicans. I can pick the best and brightest to serve kansas and that is what we will do with dcf. We also have to put citizen advocates in place. I cannot think of anything worse than having your children taken away from you and having no or dress. — Redress. We have put out and accountability plan. Secretary kobach: the changes in dcf have not gone far enough and we would overhaul the agency. 70% Of prisoners in the prison system were in foster care at one point. 75 Children were lost from the system. In most cases, the people were foster children who ran away and did not check in and tell the government where they were going. Most of them were teenage girls. There is a high risk that some of them might have fallen into sex trafficking. This is a big problem. One of the solutions will be this. Many of the kids feel there is no one they can call at the dcf agency to answer their questions. They are passed from committee to committee. When I am governor, each foster child will have one person stays with him or her throughout their childhood. Whenever there is a problem, they can call that person I know that there is someone looking out for them. We need to look at that at a human level. Senator kelly: I am the one that blew the whistle on dcf and them losing children in the foster care system. I was on a child welfare task force and uncovered the fact and let them know publicly it was there. That is the reason we have a new secretary of dcf. That agency has been decimated by the brownback tax experiment. They do not have social workers at the front and to keep kids — front end to keep kids. We have to give them the resources they need to take care of our kids. I will treat this issue as an

Question: Legalizing Marijuana
Jeff: we want to get a few more questions before the break. Some issues impacting kansans have made headlines recently. Jessica: are you for or against legal marijuana, and in what capacity? Secretary kobach: I am opposed to legalizing marijuana in kansas and certainly opposed to recreational marijuana legalization. With medical marijuana, I do not think the time is right. The fda is about to approve cbd in pill form, which is the beneficial component of marijuana. I would like to see if this individual can find equal or better treatment in the cbt — cbd pill form. In every state that has tried with medical marijuana, there is always a doctor somewhere who will write a prescription for anyone. It is never professionally restricted. So let’s see how cbd doesn’t pill form and let’s go from there — does in pill form and let’s see and go from there. Senator kelly: I support it. There are many benefits for young children with severe seizure disorders and for end-of-life use. It would also be incredibly helpful in helping to reduce the opioid crisis. Fewer opioids would be prescribed and medical marijuana could be used instead. Fewer opioids would be on the market. I think the legislature is prepared to pass this. I think we need to review our sentencing guidelines. We are incarcerating nonviolent first offenders for minor marijuana is a russian. — Possession. We are destroying our families and costing the state of fortune. We need treatment options, not incarceration. Mr. Orman: I believe we need to legalize medical marijuana. It is not just cbd. Many instances require cbd and thc to be effective. I went to colorado to meet a young man who was having up to 200 seizures a day and had to leave kansas to get treatment. He has now not had a seizure in months. This is a human issue. It is essential we do it. We also see 20% lower opioid addiction rates and states that have legalize medical marijuana. I do not see any reason why are we are not moving ahead with this. In terms of recreational use, I do not think we should be arresting and confining and incarcerating young people for having recreational quantities of marijuana. I would treat it like a speeding ticket and send you on your way. 

Question: Transgender Bathrooms
Bob: do you support transgender bathrooms in kansas public schools? We start with senator kelly. Senator kelly: I do. I can look no further than north carolina. When north carolina legislature banned transgender bathrooms, what happened was people who were packed up and ready to move to north carolina said, never mind, we are not coming. There was a huge economic impact on the state. They rescinded the bill. I do not think there is any reason for us to go down the path that has proven to be a disaster economically for a state. I also think it is a kind of discrimination that makes it very difficult for us to attract young people to our state. They are not interested in discriminating against anybody for any reason. They want a state that is open and welcoming. Mr. Orman: I am much are we should be regulating how people use the bathroom. Ultimately, if someone is going to commit a violent crime, they will commit the violent crime regardless of bathroom laws. I believe the kansas should be open and welcoming. I believe kansas should not discriminate against anybody for any reason and I would never sign a law that would do that. I just think we need to be an open, welcoming place and encourage people to move to kansas. We do not need to discourage them by passing laws that really have no practical effect and will ultimately end up hurting people. Secretary kobach: the two answers you heard illustrate the very liberal thinking of my two democratic opponents. To suggest people will move to kansas because we of transgender bathrooms in our public schools is ridiculous. The biggest impediment is that we tax them so much. The idea that transgender bathrooms will cause people to move to kansas is false. The opposite might occur if we allow transgender bathrooms. I oppose them in our public schools. I have five daughters. We are increasingly getting into this thinking that a girl can be a boy and then a girl the next day. I do no one my girls to go into the bathroom and finding a boy there, who the next day will change his mind. He is really a sexual predator who wants to invade the privacy of my daughter. There is an easy solution. Let them use the faculty bathroom. Let them use a neutral bathroom. That is how you solve the problem. Jeff: you’re watching the kansas governor debate. You can follow us on social media.

Campaign Ads: Greg Orman
Bob: our viewers have seen a lot of the campaign ads. A lot. We are going to ask each of you about an ad that was approved by you and ask you why you stand by it. We will ask you to look at the monitor to watch each ad. We start with the random order with a portion of an ad from greg gorman. Let’s take a look. I have — I have one life to improve kansas, and sergio. Some say — and so do you. Bob: where do you see instances of corruption in the kansas state government and do you stand by your ad? Mr. Orman: absolutely. There is a lack of transparency and we allow lobbyists to give money to candidates. That is correct. That is your government for sale. 85% Of americans believe washington is a rigged game that only and if it’s people who get by access to power. — Who can buy access to power. They are right. We have sold our government. I will not take money from lobbyists, parties, or corporations. When I go to topeka, I want to serve solely the people of kansas. Bob: do you agree with greg gorman’s statement that the government is corrupt? Secretary kobach: yes. I have said from the beginning of my campaign that I will address the culture of corruption in topeka. There are no good contracts. And did you know votes are taken in kansas committees that are not recorded? So Senator Kelly can vote and her consent to its do not — her constituents do not know how she voted? I also think we need term limits. The idea that their own — that there are only 100 25 people in our state that are qualified to serve is ridiculous. We need new blood in the statement. I will support term limits for the legislature and also the attorney general office. We need to bring new blood into kansas. Back and help stop the culture of corruption. New people coming in makes it hard for the buddy buddy relationships to persist. Senator kelly: I am not sure I would use the term corrupt. Some things need to be altered in the way we operate. There are over 4000 votes that have occurred during the brownback in ministration where deals were cut in the back room –there are administration where deals were cut in the back rim. — Back room. I think the other way we can improve things is by changing the complexion of government. Over the past eight years, so many people have been put into positions of authority for audiology bowl purposes rather — ideological purposes rather than skill sets. My people would be skilled and highly trained.

Campaign Ads: Kris Kobach
Bob: please look at the monitor as we play part of an ad from kris kobach. Let’s take a look. It is just like obama. Did you know kansas electricity bills are now 24% higher than in surrounding state? Bob: in that ad, you do not cite your figures or explain how kansans saw an increase in energy bills. Where do these claims come from? Secretary kobach: the 24% higher than surrounding states is publicly in fireball price you pay — publicly available price you pay for kilowatt per hour. Many businesses are leaving. The bill that increased our electricity rates more than $600 per household has been later reviewed by policy organizations that forced power companies to diversify the types of power they had. It did not let them do them affordable — in an affordable way. Laura kelly voted for it. We have to a dress high utility rates. Bob: senator kelly, do you agree with the reference in the ad? Senator kelly: no. Ability voted for sold our utility companies that they needed to build their word folio so that 20% of the electricity they were offering was by renewable energy sources. West star just announced they were at 35%. The fact is, the legislature — I would agree we need to take a look at the people appointed to that commission and make sure we have people who have the consumer in mind as well as regulated companies. Mr. Orman: this is one of the unintended cop — consequences of people making policy who do not have experience in the private sector. I realize renewable energy could be a boom for kansas, but we have to do more than just say to the utilities, build this energy resource. I have developed a plan on my website that talks about how we build demand for renewable energy so we can spread the cost of investment and ultimately reduced costs for residences and businesses. We talked about transmission lines into the west, into colorado so we can export the energy. And 11 are utilities to go beyond the pilot program and offer renewable only tariffs. And also evaluating how we can take advantage of the new electric market. Bob: do you have a rebuttal, secretary kobach? Secretary kobach: the bill she voted for forced utility companies to build additional infrastructure. Then they have the authority to demand that power rates go up. That had a cause-and-effect relationship. Are utilities went up because of the bill she voted for. This idea that legislators should be telling the utility companies to spend money and then charging us for us — charging us for it is part of the problem. Senator kelly: the fact is, the utility companies need to go before the kansas corporation commission for any rate increase. That is who makes the decisions.

Campaign Ads: Laura Kelly
Bob: we ask you to look once more at the monitor as we play an the laura kelly campaign. When sam brownback cut school funding, he attacked what makes kansas special. Kris kobach supported the planet said schools are overfunded. Bob: kris kobach has denied saying he believes schools are overfunded. We have not found evidence of a direct quote of him saying it. Do you stand by your statement? Senator kelly: absolutely. He has made it clear from the beginning of the campaign that he wants to take us back to the brownback tax experiment. We know what it is. Sam brownback made the largest cuts to schools in our state history. That would happen again if we we boarded to the policy. I absolutely stand by it. He has not told us how he would fund our schools. He was also hypercritical of current governor jeff collier who signed a bill to increase funding for schools. He made it clear he thought those a major mistake and that he would not have done it had he been governor. Mr. Orman: I will say my wife is a public school teacher. My running mate was a teacher and coach for 20 years and was the vice chair of the education committee in the senate. We absolutely support public education in kansas and I think we are the only campaign with a very detailed plan to do it on our website. Here we get to the point again where, because of the supreme court ruling and the spending on public schools, we will not have the resources to invest in other priorities. I have a detailed plan to grow the kansas economy and I have outlined detailed ways we can save money in our budget so we will be able to invest in priorities like career and technical education, health care, and infrastructure, without having to raise taxes. Secretary kobach: that ad is a perfect example of what is wrong with politics today. Politicians will lie just to win office. When she ran that at, I saw the word overfunded. It’s not even a word I use. So we looked up the article she cited in the article had a kansas city star reporter using the word overfunded. And he was referring to a debate and action sent. — In actions and. Without the transcript of that debate. I have never said our school get to much money. She continues to run it. The problem is we are not looking at where the money is going. If we put $.75 of every dollar into the classroom, we would not see teachers having to buy materials out of their pocket and bring them to class.

Question: School Funding
Jessica: the supreme court has voted that state spending in public schools is inadequate. The court gave to the end of the next legislative session to come up with a plan to provide more funding. How specifically will you fix school funding and how will you pay for it? Mr. Orman: with the supreme court said was the bill that was passed was sufficient and provided accounts for inflation. We have the resources and our budget to address that. We will not have much left to do a lot of other things, which is why I focused on growing the economy and making kansas more efficient. I will talk a little bit about ways we can do that. We are engaged in a border war with missouri. We spend money to take companies from their side and they do the same thing. It is a waste of money. We can redirect the dollars to other priorities. What my wife said that resonated is the best education policy is a growing economy. So much of what happens to a student happens outside the classroom. If we can create great jobs are people and parents can be more involved in their children’s education, we can lift everybody up. Secretary kobach: we have a constitutional crisis in kansas. The kansas supreme court has sees the authority of the legislature to determine adequate spending amounts for education. They are the only supreme court in the nation who has done this. Article six has nothing in there that says the court can force an adequate amount of dollars be spent for every child. Under my plan, as we increase spending on education, let’s ensure that we spend $.75 of every dollar in the classroom. Then we will see outcomes improve. We have improved overall spending in 20 years. The second part of my plan, I want every school to be given a letter grade. If any school increases their letter grade, everybody in the building gets a raid. — Gets a raise . So everyone has a financial stake in improved importance. Senator kelly: I think the supreme court ruling is evident to the importance of keeping the three separate but equal branches of government. To put in a constitutional amendment that would restrict the supreme court from overseeing what the legislature does and not being able to determine whether we are doing what we are constitutionally mandated to do is absurd. They have been the check on legislature that so many have not done what they were supposed to do, which is adequately funding the schools. Our schools are the largest economic driver in the state. It is important to our entire state that we have a quality education program. If we want to attract is mrs. And part — attract businesses. Secretary kobach: when she says we need to keep the three branches of government in balance, it shows she has not actually studied the constitutional structure. Alexander hamilton said we need not the judiciary because it does not have the power of the sword or purse. Your elected representatives decide how much money to spend. Mr. Orman: after the aclu debacle I’m not sure I would rely on your legal expertise. We have come up with a way to evaluate schools based on economic factors which will allow us to do a better job of the — of evaluating. If we want to grow the economy we have to focus on workforce development. Not just how we fund education, but where we take it. I’ve been very focused on pathways to careers in technical education as a way to help grow the economy.

Question: Public Safety and Crime
Bob: I want to talk about public safety and crime. Statewide, violent crime continues to trend upward as last year’s murder rate was more than 40% higher than the ten-year average. Agencies reported 176 murders in 2017. Of those, 120 involved guns. I would ask you to grade our states gun laws using the school system grading a through f. Secretary kobach: kansas gets an a minus. I the school system grading believe in keeping and bearing arms. The idea that filing crime is increasing because we have the right to keep and bear arms is ridiculous. The lawbreakers will break the law, no matter what that law is. So to say the law-abiding citizens should have fewer rights is wrong. You lay thing stops the bad guy with a gun is a good guy with the gun. — The only thing that stops the bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Laura kelly has an f from the nra and I have an a. It is our concealed carry right that protects is when the government is not there. Sometimes when a citizen is in trouble, you cannot get a police officer there in time right. Our citizens need the right to protect ourselves. Senator kelly: I would give kansas gun laws a c. I have always been a strong supporter of the second amendment throughout my career. But I also think most kansas gun owners in kansas believe we need to reinstate some common sense gun policy to ensure the safety of our kids and safety in schools, homes, and straights. I plan to bring together law enforcement, stakeholders, mental health professionals, educators, students, and parents and work with them to form a comprehensive commonsense policy that make sense for kansas that continues to ensure people’s access to guns but also make sure our kids in schools are safe. Mr. Orman: I think our gun laws are roughly a c, as well. I support the right to keep and bear arms. But I believe in reasonable firearms safety. One of the things we need to look at is the new concealed carry law that was passed. We had a good law that required eight hours of safety training to carry a concealed weapon. We require 1000 hours to legally wax an eyebrow, but eight hours for guns. That is a mistake. The people we catch in our background system are those who have been judged to be mentally ill and sentenced to more than one year in prison or have a restraining order against them for domestic abuse. I do not want them owning guns. We need to make our gun laws more sensible and protect an honor the second amendment. 

Question: Say Something Nice
Jeff: we have time for one more question. Please keep it to 30 seconds. We will do something a little different. Before we get to closing statements, we want to hear a response unrelated to the issues we have been talking about. I would like each of you to say something nice about each of your opponents. Let’s start with laura kelly. Senator kelly: thank you for that opportunity. Kris kobach has one of the most adorable families I have ever seen. And greg norman, I actually worked on his campaign in 2014 when he was running for senate. I thought he was eminently qualified for that position and I continue to think that. Mr. Orman: I echo what senator kelly says about kris kobach family. There was a parade in gardner and I looked over and I saw my three-year-old daughter playing with his daughters. It reminded me of how much we really all have in common. I think senator kelly is a very intelligent, thoughtful person and I think she cares deeply about kansas. Secretary kobach: thank you for the compliments on my family. I think senator kelly is one of the most experience legislators in the kansas senate. She actually read the bill and does her homework. Far too people do that. I think greg gorman is someone who has a wealth of experience and is very thoughtful as he approaches issues. I think his quest to form an identity outside the parties, although I do not think it will succeed, I think it is thoughtful.

Closing Statements
Jeff: we want to give each of you time for closing statements. You each have 30 seconds. We start with the random draw order, beginning with greg gorman. Mr. Orman: next tuesday, kansans have a choice. They can decide if they want the decision to be based on fear, based on a vote for that candidate to avoid a worse one, or if they want to vote based on courage. Do we want kansas to lead again? To set an example for the nation? To show our country away out of the broken politics that have left so many americans behind? If you want that, I am your candidate and I humbly ask for your vote on november 6. Secretary kobach: if you like the status quo and think nothing should change, vote for one of my opponents. If they are elected, you will have four years of gridlock. The legislature will pass a bill and get vetoed. If I am elected, I will lead. I have many ideas that will take our state in new directions and offer tax relief to kansans. We will stop giving away your money to illegal aliens and we will change the game completely in kansas. Senator kelly: this is a pivotal election for kansas. Stakes have never been so high and choices have never been so clear. We can go back to the sam brownback years or collect a governor who will work like the devil to rebuild our state. Kansas needs a strong, steady , experienced leader who will work from day one to get the state back on track. As your governor, I would do that. I am the only thing standing between kris kobach and the governor’s office. I ask for your vote on november 6. Jeff: thank you to view for spending your time with us and sharing your views. We hope you have been following along on social media tonight. We are posting updates to facebook and our website this evening. You will find more resources there about the election one week from today to help you make an informed decision. Tune in on election night for complete results. Thank you for watching. Good night.

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